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Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:14 am
by jockavelli
Pirate Bay founders found guilty
From BBC-NEWS
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A court in Sweden has jailed four men behind The Pirate Bay (TPB), the world's most high-profile file-sharing website, in a landmark case.

Frederik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Carl Lundstrom and Peter Sunde were found guilty of breaking copyright law and were sentenced to a year in jail.

They were also ordered to pay 30m kronor (£2.4m) in damages.

In a Twitter posting, Sunde said: "Nothing will happen to TPB, this is just theatre for the media."

Sunde went on to say that he "got the news last night that we lost".

"It used to be only movies, now even verdicts are out before the official release."

The damages were awarded to a number of entertainment companies, including Warner Bros, Sony Music Entertainment, EMI, and Columbia Pictures.

However, the total awarded fell short of the 117m kronor (£9m) in damages and interest the firms were seeking.

Speaking to the BBC, the chairman of industry body the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) John Kennedy said the verdict sent out a clear message.

"These guys weren't making a principled stand, they were out to line their own pockets. There was nothing meritorious about their behaviour, it was reprehensible.

"The Pirate Bay did immense harm and the damages awarded doesn't even get close to compensation, but we never claimed it did.

"There has been a perception that piracy is OK and that the music industry should just have to accept it. This verdict will change that," he said.

The four men denied the charges throughout the trial, saying that because they did not actually host any files, they were not doing anything wrong.

Speaking to the BBC earlier this week, Sunde said that there was no difference between us and Google."

"The Pirate Bay will continue. Nothing is going to happen if we lose, for a multitude for reasons, not least because we will immediately appeal," he said.

A lawyer for Carl Lundstrom, Per Samuelson told journalists he was shocked by the guilty verdict and the severity of the sentence.

"That's outrageous, in my point of view. Of course we will appeal," he was quoted as saying by Reuters news agency. "This is the first word, not the last. The last word will be ours."

Political issue

Rickard Falkvinge, leader of The Pirate Party - which is trying to reform laws around copyright and patents in the digital age - told the BBC that the verdict was "a gross injustice".

"This wasn't a criminal trial, it was a political trial. It is just gross beyond description that you can jail four people for providing infrastructure.

"There is a lot of anger in Sweden right now. File-sharing is an institution here and while I can't encourage people to break copyright law, I'm not following it and I don't agree with it.

"Today's events make file-sharing a hot political issue and we're going to take this to the European Parliament."

The Pirate Bay is the world's most high profile file-sharing website and was set up in 2003 by anti-copyright organisation Piratbyran, but for the last five years it has been run by individuals.

Millions of files are exchanged using the service every day.

No copyright content is hosted on The Pirate Bay's web servers; instead the site hosts "torrent" links to TV, film and music files held on its users' computers.


WOW Didnt think a decision on this would be made this soon.
What do you think this will do for other P2P sites, no looking good for them is it!!!!

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:30 am
by dalecheesy
The repercussions will no doubt affect most of the p2p sites so i'd expect most of the p2p sites to shut down in the near future to avoid substantial claims against them.

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:53 am
by CoFree
dalecheesy wrote:The repercussions will no doubt affect most of the p2p sites so i'd expect most of the p2p sites to shut down in the near future to avoid substantial claims against them.
no way
this is a bump in the road
The only thing this may/will do is make some move a server.
as soon as "tpb" new there could be trouble they moved theirs.

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:04 am
by dalecheesy
They'd bloody better i'm downloading loads of pron and i want them finished..lolz just kidding. :D :D

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:59 am
by HaGGardSmurf
I agree with CoFree, I dont think P2P will die off... Servers will get moved, people will be smarter etc...

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:27 am
by Shootsteel
Torrentleech just moved a couple of weeks ago to move servers....guess they got wind early.

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:43 am
by technoe
Yeah this doesn't change anything. The world as a whole is in a economic woe and will always find a way to get what they want at the cheapest possible value even if that means downloading it. The thing is some of these companies like warner bros has gotten smart about it. A friend of mine (who will remain nameless) downloaded a pre-release title and had is internet shut-off for like a week because WB released the title he downloaded with it's own tracker built in. Once WB found out what ISP and where the file went they contacted his ISP and they shut him off until he called. The whole thing was listed in his ISP's notes.

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:28 pm
by sadalius
What it should do is to help those that run P2P servers be a little smarter. I don't think it should be so open to the public as it is. I haven't tried it in a little while, but the last time I was looking for some software, I did a google search and a link for TPB was in the top 5. Before we jump to conclusions, I was looking to BUY said software :) But if it weren't so open, and a little more secure , I think thats what they have to learn from this.

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:49 pm
by technoe
Agreed!

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:30 pm
by HaGGardSmurf
Ive heard of alot of those stories where companies post those kind of fake releases...

Thats why I always check the comments to make sure its genuine, and I use Peer Guardian 2 It has a list of gov IP's anti piracy IP's Media Company IP's etc, and blocks them from connection... It self updates... Its sweet, it can also block HTTP so no ads :P

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:44 pm
by CoFree
HaGGardSmurf wrote:I use Peer Guardian 2 It has a list of gov IP's anti piracy IP's Media Company IP's etc, and blocks them from connection...
dont put to much faith in that my friend.

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:53 pm
by sadalius
Agreed with CoFree. In this case, it's not the people sharing it thats getting in trouble. It's the site thats hosting the files. So there is more than one way to skin a cat as the old saying goes.

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:06 pm
by HaGGardSmurf
CoFree wrote:
HaGGardSmurf wrote:I use Peer Guardian 2 It has a list of gov IP's anti piracy IP's Media Company IP's etc, and blocks them from connection...
dont put to much faith in that my friend.
I put more faith in it than just azureus only :P

True the sites get in trouble as opposed to the downloaders (in most cases) but its better the be safe(r) than sorry. :P

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:48 am
by iamwatt
sadalius wrote:So there is more than one way to skin a cat as the old saying goes.
that saying never did sit right with me; who skins cats? or even the saying a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. . . what's that even spose to mean? and last but not least, kill two birds with one stone, you know how hard it is to kill one bird with a stone let alone two. . .

Re: Pirate Bay founders found guilty

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:51 am
by CoFree
iamwatt wrote:and last but not least,
there's more

its not over till the fat lady sings
if a bullfrog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass every time it jumped
as sure as a one legged duck swims in a circle
:D :D