Update on latest news

[NeoRio]

Hey guys, it's been a while since I've had time to come around and check things out. Would someone mind giving me a quick heads up as to what has been going on lately?

• I bought a new 360 so we could play our original games online...while keeping our modded 360s for copies only. Is that still what everyone is doing?

• My other 360s are still on iXtreme 1.6 (Ben Q's)...is that still the latest?

• I haven't backed up any of my newer games (in the last 2 months or so)...most of them are Wave 4 games...can I still use my Kreon drive to back them up using XBC?

• Is there any point using ABGX to check them afterwards if they'll only be played on our banned 360s?

• For playing Wave 4 backups...do you have to use a boot disc first?--or is there a FW fix that allows you to play Wave 4 backups directly?

Thanks for your time.

Best Regards,
Neo

[whufc191192]

by the way thought id let you know thats not the latest ixtreme the latest is ixtreme lt 1.1 which you can find the links for on
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only for liteon and benq

[NeoRio]

Thanks. Just download it from the Twitter link?--not from Xbins?

How do you flash the drive with this new FW?

Does it enable you to play Wave 4 backups without a boot disc?

Thanks

[NeoRio]

I just read the nfo file for the new LT iXtreme.

Am I correct in deducting that this FW release is potentially safe to use on Xbox Live with back up copies? Has anybody here begun doing this with success?

It says to check your image with ABGX and to have proper stealth/ss/pfi/dmi, images must also be splitvid and preferred ss v2. Does XBX do backups with all those criteria with a Kreon drive?

I understand LT does not save you from being banned if the console is already flagged. I also understand that it is advisable to apply all system updates before flashing with LT...and that all future console updates must be applied with caution.

[HaGGardSmurf]

• I bought a new 360 so we could play our original games online...while keeping our modded 360s for copies only. Is that still what everyone is doing?

Lots of people are still doing this, myself included.

• My other 360s are still on iXtreme 1.6 (Ben Q's)...is that still the latest?

Benq's have LT 1.1 now, LT was created for benq's shortly after lite-on's I assume samsung LT is going to come soon as well.

• I haven't backed up any of my newer games (in the last 2 months or so)...most of them are Wave 4 games...can I still use my Kreon drive to back them up using XBC?

For offline play, yes thats fine. For online play your going to want to rip with a 0800 drive, or patch with ssv2 after ripping.

• Is there any point using ABGX to check them afterwards if they'll only be played on our banned 360s?

No, there is no real point unless you know for a fact the console is not flagged, and you may end up flashing LT and playing online. Then you'll probably want to make sure your backups are good.

• For playing Wave 4 backups...do you have to use a boot disc first?--or is there a FW fix that allows you to play Wave 4 backups directly?

1.61 allows booting of wave 4 but LT allows booting of all waves.

Am I correct in deducting that this FW release is potentially safe to use on Xbox Live with back up copies? Has anybody here begun doing this with success?

Yep, lots of people are playing online with it. Lots of people are using 1.0 and are not banned yet although there is a flaw in it that makes it detectable, which is why 1.1 was released.

It says to check your image with ABGX and to have proper stealth/ss/pfi/dmi, images must also be splitvid and preferred ss v2. Does XBX do backups with all those criteria with a Kreon drive?

It does everything but the SS, it will give you v1, you can patch it to v2 but you need to get a hold of the ss from a v2 game.

I understand LT does not save you from being banned if the console is already flagged. I also understand that it is advisable to apply all system updates before flashing with LT...and that all future console updates must be applied with caution.

Yea, most times a person's console has been flagged and have been banned without them knowing, and while they were offline, which means their console ID has been blocked from connecting to the live server's, so if they ever attempt to connect their console will learn its been banned, and will cripple itself.

[NeoRio]

JaGGardSmurf, thanks for the good answers.

For offline play, yes thats fine. For online play your going to want to rip with a 0800 drive, or patch with ssv2 after ripping.

Can a Kreon drive (TS-H352C flashed with Kreon FW) be turned into a 0800 drive? Is there any use anymore for a Kreon drive, or is a 0800 recommended for all rips? (I have 3 Kreon drives and need to determine what to use them for...or if they can be converted to 0800 drives without using the drive from one of the 360s.)

1.61 allows booting of wave 4 but LT allows booting of all waves.

So you mean with LT you don't need to use a boot disc first before putting a Wave 4 copy in the console?

...stealth/ss/pfi/dmi, splitvid and preferred ss v2. Does XBX do backups with all those criteria with a Kreon drive?

It does everything but the SS, it will give you v1, you can patch it to v2 but you need to get a hold of the ss from a v2 game.

That's a tiny bit over my head; I don't know how to get the ss from a v2 game and then patch it. By using a 0800 drive does that do all this for you? If so, can you still rip the game (using an 0800 drive) with XBC and check it with ABGX?

Again, thank you very much for your time in answering these questions.

Best Regards,
NeoRio

[HaGGardSmurf]

Can a Kreon drive (TS-H352C flashed with Kreon FW) be turned into a 0800 drive? Is there any use anymore for a Kreon drive, or is a 0800 recommended for all rips? (I have 3 Kreon drives and need to determine what to use them for...or if they can be converted to 0800 drives without using the drive from one of the 360s.)

Nope, kreon's cannot be turned into an 0800 drive, you will need to use a true 360 drive.

So you mean with LT you don't need to use a boot disc first before putting a Wave 4 copy in the console?

Nope, no need for a boot disk with LT, it doesnt check the wave, it acts as close to a stock drive as possible.

That's a tiny bit over my head; I don't know how to get the ss from a v2 game and then patch it. By using a 0800 drive does that do all this for you? If so, can you still rip the game (using an 0800 drive) with XBC and check it with ABGX?

Well to get the SSV2 from a game you need to rip it with a 360 drive flashed with 0800.

[NeoRio]

OK, thanks again. I guess I'll need to flash one of my 360 drives with 0800 then. Do all 360 drives work to flash to 0800? Is there a tutorial on how to do that? When you flash a 360 drive to 0800 do you have to flash it back to OFW, or LT before playing games on it again? How do people handle that to go back and forth quickly?

Thanks again,
NeoRio

[HaGGardSmurf]

Well 1.6 has 0800 built in, you just need to power the drive with the tray half open, and windows should recognize it and assign it a letter.

All drives except hit's have 1.6 FW, so they all have the 0800 feature. Sammy's and benq's also have a dedicated 0800 fw that you flash like any other FW, no need to restore first. With the lite-on if you want to use it, you need to be on 1.6 and use the half open trick.

Most people now just have a dedicated drive to rip games with. Seeing as LT is the only FW safe for online, and it does not include 0800.

Ive posted a tut showing how to patch ssv1 games, its in the pic tut section, under other tut's.

[NeoRio]

Well 1.6 has 0800 built in, you just need to power the drive with the tray half open, and windows should recognize it and assign it a letter.

All my BenQs are currently flashed with iXtreme 1.6, so I imagine they all have 0800 built in. Would I need to take the drive out of the Xbox and hook it up to the computer to rip a game with it to my computer's HD?

Most people now just have a dedicated drive to rip games with. Seeing as LT is the only FW safe for online, and it does not include 0800.

I see. I guess that's why people buy dead 360s on eBay...for the BenQ or Samsung drive...so they can rip their games?

Ive posted a tut showing how to patch ssv1 games, its in the pic tut section, under other tut's.

I couldn't find your tutorial, can you please send me a link?

What would you suggest for me at this point? a) use my Kreon drive to rip games and figure out how to patch ssv2, or b) use one of my BenQ drives (or buy a new/used one just for ripping) and only rip with 0800 drives?

What about the many games I have ripped and backed up already over the years with Kreon drives? Are those safe for online play with the new LT FW?

Are Wave 4 games ripped and backed up any differently than Wave 3 games?

Thanks,
NeoRio

[NeoRio]

• In order to rip a game using a 360 drive in 0800 mode, would I need to take the drive out of the Xbox and hook it up to the computer?
• What would you suggest for me at this point?--
  a) use my Kreon drive to rip games and figure out how to patch ssv2
  b) use one of my BenQ drives (or buy a new/used one just for ripping) and only rip all games with 0800 drives?
• What about the many games I have ripped and backed up already over the years with Kreon drives?--(Wave 1, 2, and 3 games.) Are those safe for online play with the new LT FW?
• I'm attaching a picture(s) of the ABGX results I got when checking my rip of Modern Warfare 2. I ripped this game using a Kreon drive with XBC. For some reason it shows the SS to be version 2, but that can't be right...right?

TIA,
NeoRio

[HaGGardSmurf]

• In order to rip a game using a 360 drive in 0800 mode, would I need to take the drive out of the Xbox and hook it up to the computer?

Yep, if 1.6 is on the drive you will need to power the drive with the tray half open for your comp to see the drive and assign it a letter.

• What would you suggest for me at this point?--
  a) use my Kreon drive to rip games and figure out how to patch ssv2
  b) use one of my BenQ drives (or buy a new/used one just for ripping) and only rip all games with 0800 drives?

Its easy to patch ssv2 so its whatever you want, if you want to buy a dedicated 0800 drive (benq sammy, or lite-on) and use it, or if you want to continue using your kreon its up to you, i'd assume an 0800 drive would be safer but there is no proof aside from the ssv1 and ssv2.

• What about the many games I have ripped and backed up already over the years with Kreon drives?--(Wave 1, 2, and 3 games.) Are those safe for online play with the new LT FW?

As long as they are ssv2 they are safe for online. I havent played backups online for a while so I cannot guarantee this, but its what the big guy's are saying. As far as the games that are not ssv2 you can just patch them if you go to the 360 tut section, then go to pic tut's then other you should find the tut I made.

• I'm attaching a picture(s) of the ABGX results I got when checking my rip of Modern Warfare 2. I ripped this game using a Kreon drive with XBC. For some reason it shows the SS to be version 2, but that can't be right...right?

Thats weird man, all my kreon rips come back as ssv1, and as far as I know a kreon drive cannot rip a game with ssv2

[NeoRio]

Its easy to patch ssv2 so its whatever you want, if you want to buy a dedicated 0800 drive (benq sammy, or lite-on) and use it, or if you want to continue using your kreon its up to you, i'd assume an 0800 drive would be safer but there is no proof aside from the ssv1 and ssv2.

First of all I just wanted to say thank you very much, Haggard. Your patience and good answers have been a great help and I know it can try the patience to be asked so many questions...so please know that I do appreciate it!

After reading your answers, It sounds like patching the ISOs with SSv2 might be the way to go for me right now...so I think I'll learn how to do that and continue ripping with my Kreon drive since I don't have a dedicated Xbox drive to dedicate for ripping. However, If you were to tell me that *for sure* using a 360 drive (BenQ, Samsung or Lite-On) is the safest way to get reliable rips for Live play, I'd probably break down and buy a broken machine on eBay to pull the drive out.

As long as they (old ripped games with Kreon drive) are ssv2 they are safe for online. I havent played backups online for a while so I cannot guarantee this, but its what the big guy's are saying. As far as the games that are not ssv2 you can just patch them if you go to the 360 tut section, then go to pic tut's then other you should find the tut I made.

How can I check my old backed-up games to see if they are SSv2? I originally ripped them with a Kreon drive, then stealth checked the ISO, then burned them to Verbatim discs. I still have the ISOs of these games if it would be easier to check the ss from the ISO rather than the burnt game disc backup.

Thats weird man, all my kreon rips come back as ssv1, and as far as I know a kreon drive cannot rip a game with ssv2

Yeah, it is weird how my Kreon rip for COD MW2 showed SSv2. You said no Kreon drive can rip SSv2...so does that mean that all my old rips and burns are definitely not SSv2 and not safe for online play?

[NeoRio]

Just ripped my Mass Effect 2 disc 1 using a Kreon drive with XBC to do the rip. When checking the ISO with ABGX 360, I got an error message about the video partition (please see attached picture). Does that look like it is a bad rip?

Thanks,
NeoRio

[HaGGardSmurf]

First of all I just wanted to say thank you very much, Haggard. Your patience and good answers have been a great help and I know it can try the patience to be asked so many questions...so please know that I do appreciate it!

Not a problem, thats what I'm here for

After reading your answers, It sounds like patching the ISOs with SSv2 might be the way to go for me right now...so I think I'll learn how to do that and continue ripping with my Kreon drive since I don't have a dedicated Xbox drive to dedicate for ripping. However, If you were to tell me that *for sure* using a 360 drive (BenQ, Samsung or Lite-On) is the safest way to get reliable rips for Live play, I'd probably break down and buy a broken machine on eBay to pull the drive out.

Well just read through this and you should be perfectly capable of patching your games. I use a kreon and patch my games to ssv2, so its an easy way to go. Its just a theory that the 0800 drives are better for online, its like that whole thing about powering your 360 without the drive attached, people think M$ can detect it, but there is no proof. Also you dont need to buy a broken machine, you can buy a benq or samsung drive from ebay or modding websites for cheap, or you can even buy a lite-on and flash 1.6 to it.

How can I check my old backed-up games to see if they are SSv2? I originally ripped them with a Kreon drive, then stealth checked the ISO, then burned them to Verbatim discs. I still have the ISOs of these games if it would be easier to check the ss from the ISO rather than the burnt game disc backup.

Just run the ISO through abgx, if you look at the tutorial I posted you will see in step 1 (or 2) how to see what version your game is. If you dont have the iso, but only the backup itself put the disk in your drive, open ABGX, and select your drive, then run it through.

Yeah, it is weird how my Kreon rip for COD MW2 showed SSv2. You said no Kreon drive can rip SSv2...so does that mean that all my old rips and burns are definitely not SSv2 and not safe for online play?

Yep, what might have happened is abgx may have patched it. As for your old rip's and burn's they likely aren't ssv2 and according to the big guy's SSv1 is not safe for online. What you should do is run them all through agbx if theyre ssv1 mark that on the disk so you know to only play it offline, and then patch the iso and burn a new ssv2 disk.



As for your mass effect 2 rip, its wave 6 and ABGX can only see up to wave 4 I believe, you can patch it to see up to wave 5 and 6. I left my agbx as it is because Ive ripped a huge number of games with my kreon, so all I do is check the xbc log, if there are 0 errors I dont really care what abgx says.